Talk:Extroverted intuition

Is the description of Ne PoLR based on real examples? (Currently it says "The individual is highly skeptical about speculation about things that currently cannot be known and prefers to reduce such speculation to a minimum. ")

People I've known who I'm sure are ESI just wouldn't be described this way. It's clear that they're not particularly speculative themselves, and they surely wouldn't appreciate digressive discussion when something important is at stake...particularly discussion that doesn't converge on a solution. But I've never known them to be people who want to "reduce speculation to a minimum."

This also gets at one of the core difficulties in Socionics, which comes up again and again: In theory, crea-Se types should appreciate the speculation of their duals and activity partners (Ni speculation), while being less appreciative of the speculation of those in the opposing quadras (Ne speculation). So to be precise, how does one characterize the difference? Without referring to "Ne" and "Ni," how does one say that ESI and LSI types love Ni speculation but not Ne speculation? --Jonathan 20:32, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

Changes to Ne PoLR

Okay, I've made a change, since I felt that the original ("The individual is highly skeptical about speculation about things that currently cannot be known and prefers to reduce such speculation to a minimum.") was not accurate (for the reasons I mentioned above). In my experience, LSI/ESI types aren't necessarily intolerant of speculation per se as the original definition suggested. However, they do need to see concrete goals achieved, and they prefer the kind of ideation that seems to lead somewhere (offer solutions) rather than the sort that is most likely to bring upheaval and unwanted changes. --Jonathan 22:57, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Great. Good formulation. "Concrete assurance," though, sounds strange. (Admin 23:01, 12 June 2007 (CDT))

Thanks. :) I see on Google that a lot of people use the phrase "concrete assurance" in the same way as I used it, but I haven't been able to find it in any dictionary of idioms. I'm not sure where the expression comes from, but I've heard it used a lot to mean a combination of "assurance" and some sort of material evidence. --Jonathan 23:12, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

Doesn't the phrase 'concrete assurance' work for all PoLRs? Or maybe for just PoLRs of sensors?--Electric 11:32, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't think it would apply to all of them...maybe to a few others. Why would it apply to others just as much? Maybe you can convince me. --Jonathan 12:53, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I've done other changes, which conform to my observations and to other descriptions. Expat 20:03, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Mobilizing function

"The individual generally has a poor sense of how long things will take and what the best amount of time to spend on things is, and estimates in these areas need to be taken with more than a grain of salt."

That is indeed a commmon trait of ESE and LSE, but is it not better attributed to Ni? Why Ne? Expat 20:04, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

You're right; I moved it. (Admin 05:37, 24 June 2007 (CDT))