Talk:Reinin dichotomies

Reinin traits is more likely to be classical because Augusta seems to be very compliant with them.

Yes, but they are highly controversial.

Most of them are proved by Model A itself, some of them with +/-. Talanov has built a model (Model T) which explains some difficult dichotomies like Tactical / Strategical.

I guess the problem is that there are no understandable descriptions of most of the traits, and so there is little to build one's understanding on. (Admin 14:19, 13 June 2007 (CDT))

I'm starting to think Reinin dichotomies might be the better term, for reasons of ambiguity (i.e. 15 or 30 "traits?") mentioned elsewhere. (Admin 14:19, 13 June 2007 (CDT))

Yes, Reinin dichotomies seems to be the preferred term in English anyways.

Someone said they're proven by Model A. Whoever knows the "proofs," can you post them on this Wiki somewhere? The biggest problem I've seen with them is that they're not proven; they're just observations. --Jonathan 14:31, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

That was me. Sorry, I forgot to write this : Machintruc 14:34, 17 June 2007 (CDT). If you know relations between Model A and Reinin's traits, you'll understand easily - for example, Emotivist means having an Ethical element on functions 2 and 3, whereas Constructivist means having a Logical element in those functions.

The definitions about the Reinin dichotomies aren't hard. It's relating those to the statements made about those dichotomies. Actually, some of them seem pretty straightforward...for example, merry/serious as having Fe vs. Te in one's quadra values. But most of them involve statements or observations that don't seem to necessarily follow. Even statements that do seem to derive from the definitions are slightly suspect to me, as there are a lot of things one might think up that would seem to make sense, but aren't true about real people or about classical Socionics. --Jonathan 20:10, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

I saw a Russian page somewhere that had the derivation of the dichotomies. I only have a vague understanding of it, though. Thehotelambush 21:52, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

How about we merge this into Dichotomies? It's rather short by itself, and we don't want to duplicate information if we can avoid it. Thehotelambush 21:52, 18 June 2007 (CDT)

No. There are dichotomies for types, functions, information elements, and intertype relations. Machintruc 06:49, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Good point. Given that, we should probably have an article for all four of those topics, and mention either all or none of them on this page. Also, an article just for the Jungian basis seems unwarranted, as it would be subsumed under type dichotomies. Thehotelambush 18:40, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

However it's organized, it's important to be clear that Reinin dichotomies and the original Jung dichotomies are quite different. Socionics is built upon an interpretation of Jung's dichotomies. Reinin dichotomies are derived from these and remain controversial. --Jonathan 22:23, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

There are different views on that; I've added a section to address the issue. Thehotelambush 00:16, 20 July 2007 (BST)

Page notice

I think this page is quite complete and well done. How about a "good" notice at the top? --Admin 08:39, 25 July 2007 (BST)

I think so. Expat 09:19, 25 July 2007 (BST)