User talk:Rick DeLong

Here is what approximately is planned for this site (add your ideas):

1. collectively produced type descriptions

2. records of machine translations and documents that need to be stored for reference

3. collections of phrases and statements relating to different information aspects

4. arguments for various type versions for famous people

5. definitions and discussions of socionic categories and concepts

question about images

is there limited space for uploading images? I uploaded a silly picture of a goat for my user page but if it's going to eat into a limited amount of storage space I can kill it. Bionicgoat 17:06, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Go ahead and upload it. I'm not aware of any space restrictions, and if there are any, they're about 100 times higher than you're imagining. (Admin 22:20, 31 May 2007 (CDT))

bots

Wikipedia has thousands of robots doing bidding that its users would never catch or care about (ie fixing broken links or links that go to the wrong place, fix typical formatting mistakes, etc.)

We don't need thousands of bots like Wikipedia does, but we could definitely use one or two. I just spent maybe thirty minutes dealing with loose odds and ends (and eventually gave up in the process) that a robot could perform much, much more efficiently. I have absolutely no idea how they work, but it can't be that hard to simply create a program that will run through the site and fix various inputted tasks. Niffweed17 20:36, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

That would be great, but it's beyond my competency. Even on Wikipedia they have menial "task lists" that people work on when they have free time.(Admin 23:29, 8 June 2007 (CDT))

sure they have to do lists. most people probably ignore them, but the fact is that bots cannot do everything.

for the purposes of scanning over every page we have so far, however, and replacing [[Ethical Intuitive Extrovert (EIE)]] with [[Ethical Intuitive Extrovert]] in order to eliminate double redirects, saves a lot of time and is a piece of cake.

i'll ask around and see what i can find. Niffweed17 23:57, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

I am working on this. Thehotelambush 02:36, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

spelling

[1]

apparently most of these dictionaries have entries for both extrovert and extravert, but most of them say that extravert is a derivation of extrovert. spelling it with an O is definitely not an incorrect spelling, and is probably "more correct" than extravert, if that means anything.

i had previously thought that extravert was just a very common misspelling, myself. Niffweed17 23:27, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't know any other words with the prefix "extro," so I had always assumed people misspelled "extravert" because of its assossiation with "introvert." We need an expert... (Admin 23:33, 8 June 2007 (CDT))

dictionary.com also reports that extro is a prefix that is a variant of extra. anyway, i hardly think that the prefix is relevant; jung coined the words, and spelling has been established based on his works. in my mind at least, extro is the more common and more officially correct spelling.

but i suppose it doesn't really matter anyway. Niffweed17 23:48, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

terminology issues

It would be nice if we could iron out some terminology issues. A big one (for me, at least) is the set "information aspect" (denoted by symbols), "IM element" (denoted by symbols), and "function." This follows what Augusta called them in her works. However, "IM element" just doesn't seem to be catching on in either the Russian or English communities, and I'm trying to understand why. One of the issues is that the word "function" implies a module, set of operations, or mechanism. Jung's "functions" were sensing, intuition, thinking, and feeling, which Augusta began calling "IM elements." Here, I think "function" is more natural than "IM element." But then what do you call the "functions" numbered 1 through 8? Lytov uses the word "position," e.g. "introverted sensing in the 3rd position." "The 3rd function is introverted sensing" also makes sense.

Maybe I am having a cow about nothing, but I can see how this stuff could be really confusing to people. (Admin 07:38, 9 June 2007 (CDT))

New city building projects

are those like arcologies and stuff? Bionicgoat 05:39, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

may I ask what you're talking about? (Admin 05:41, 19 June 2007 (CDT))

http://www.arcosanti.org/ the best example I can think of. It's a sort of city being built outside of Phoenix. Really cool archetecture... supposed to be the future and all that where all living, working, and shopping is all within walking distance for thousands upon thousands of people. I was considering going to work/learn there someday. Bionicgoat 05:45, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

http://www.arcosanti.org/theory/arcology/intro.html the concept behind arcologies

Aha. You're referring to the interests on my user page. Yeah, something along those lines:) (Admin 05:54, 19 June 2007 (CDT))

oh lol... I didn't think to take your question like that. Yes I was talking about your interrests off of your user page :)Bionicgoat 06:28, 19 June 2007 (CDT}

nice job on the typing pictures

your string of new edits with the pictures on the typing people pages are good stuff. They look great! User:Bionicgoat 13:33, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks! :-) (Admin 13:48, 24 June 2007 (CDT))

Vandalism

Someone (I guess Hugo) is continuously vandalizing the Links page, I suggest you block his address or make it registered-user only. Expat 07:52, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Thanks. I will be back home tomorrow and will take appropriate action. Admin 16:37, 3 July 2007

to be fair -- he seems to object to the way his forum is portrayed in the list. What he's done - twice - is to change the 16 types description to one bashing it, and change the description of his own forum to "growing" or whatever. Perhaps he thinks that we're deliberately undermining him. It may be better to remove it from the list or to say nothing. Expat 13:11, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

OK, but we can't write a positive comment about a site that is empty ("new and emerging") and at the same time write negative ones about established forums that have not had much activity recently. I will change the description to "forum is new" unless others object. Also, if the same complaints about the16types are shared by many different people, a negative comment may be added. (Admin 06:01, 4 July 2007 (CDT))

No more "fairness", he did it again. I suggest you just do what you can to get rid of him. Expat 06:30, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

I have banned his address for a week and filled out the Policy page. --Admin 06:52, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

By the way, do you know how to remove recent edits with one click? (go to history and press "rollback") (Admin 07:02, 5 July 2007 (CDT))

sorry, where to I press "rollback"? Expat 07:06, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

Press the "history" tab of this page, for example, and look at the list of changes. The final change at the top will have a rollback option. Try pressing it and see what happens. (Admin 07:08, 5 July 2007 (CDT))

Sorry, I just checked, and I guess I'm the only one who has that option (unless I designate other admins) (Admin 07:10, 5 July 2007 (CDT))

What you can do is not much harder. Go again to the history tab and press "compare the selected versions." Then press "undo" at the top right. (Admin 07:12, 5 July 2007 (CDT))

Thanks, that's already how I reverted his editings so far. Expat 07:14, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

As I assumed, he's just coming back with another IP address and doing the same thing again. Expat 10:59, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

Rick, I know that's not your original idea -- but I'm afraid you'll have to make it registered-user only. Expat 11:02, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

That's okay. I had expected to have to do so at some point anyway. I have blocked the new address and will change the settings to require registration. (Admin 11:23, 5 July 2007 (CDT))

I know this is an old discussion, but Wikipedia has a policy of semi-protection, by which pages constantly vandalized (such as the pages on George Bush, Bill Clinton, elephants (see Stephen Colbert)) cannot be edited by anonymous users, but most other pages can be. I don't know how to implement that exactly, but I don't think it would be all that difficult. Niffweed17 02:04, 16 July 2007 (BST)

It's a "one-click" operation for Admins. I have done that with the links page. --Admin 08:10, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Some miscellany

I made a redirect on the Four-letter code page, but I think you're right, no one will be searching for those terms, so please delete them. (Actually, scratch that. The reason for keeping them is for references on other pages. In general, we need lots of redirects for this reason alone.)

OK

I'd like to move Type dichotomies back to Dichotomies, but it's not working for some reason.

I did it by editing the copying the text into "Dichotomies".

Is it possible to have links to Wikipedia using the [[]] syntax? I have a feeling it will be needed a lot in the future, especially for articles on people. While randomly trying out prefixes to get to wikipedia, I found that [[wiki:X]] takes you to http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?X, some programming consultancy site! There is probably some code where all the prefixes are defined. Thehotelambush 00:24, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

What I do is this (you probably know that already. If there is a 'trick' for linking to wikipedia, I don't know it. --Admin 01:49, 9 July 2007 (CDT)

Fringe Socionics theories

What about a session mentioning and describing a bit the fringe socionics theories around? We could mention the Vilnius Socionics School focus on VI without much further discussion, and Smilexian theory -- I know that Smilexian socionics isn't really known anywhere outside the 16 types forum, and Smilingeyes remains anonymous, but the fact remains that it has gotten influential in the English-speaking community. We should at least acknowledge its existence. Expat 03:36, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

I think we can do separate pages on those, such as "Vilnius School of Socionics" and "Smilexian socionics". On the Russian Wikisocion I have a category called "Organizations, schools, and disciplines." Maybe we can create something like that here for this stuff. I imagine "Crosstype theory" would go there as well. --Admin 03:45, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Since nobody really understands tcauldilllg's present version of his theory - I certainly don't - perhaps we should make a brief mention of his own psychorelativity forum without discussing the theory itself much.Expat 03:56, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Agreed. Perhaps we should start importing articles from the16types forum. Thehotelambush 05:20, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Hmmm... If we move whole articles here, they become public domain. --Admin 05:23, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

On Smilexian socionics, I don't see much point in moving whole articles -- I can write a summary, referring it to the "articles" section of the forum, and ask Smilingeyes himself to check whether he thinks I've got it right. There is no single article of his summarizing his ideas, and the whole is too vast. Expat 05:27, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Like Smilex, Tcaud seems to be gaining a following from some others on the the16types forum. If we create this "fringe theories" thing, it would definitely be worth mentioning. Labcoat may also be a good source as someone who seems to possibly understand what Tcaud is talking about. --Jonathan 13:38, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

How about a section called "Hypotheses"? The only issue will be authorship -- do we post people's articles or do we talk about other people's work? --Admin 14:41, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

I'm all for summarizing the areas of people's research and including links where appropriate. --Jonathan 16:53, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

I think a section called "Hypotheses" is a very good idea, and I think that the way to go is for us to summarize their ideas. Who's going to read the whole of Smilexian socionics anyway? If Labcoat does understand tcaudilllg's views, that's great. I can do the Smilexian one. Expat 19:19, 12 July 2007 (CDT)

Great, agreed. I'll create it. --Admin 00:43, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Administration requests

Site name

The site name is stored here; please change ASAP. You may have to also change the assignment of $wgSitename in LocalSettings.php. Thehotelambush 20:34, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

OK, I will start immediately. --Admin 23:54, 14 July 2007 (CDT)

I changed the site name at here, but I am not sure it made a difference. Changing the localsettings file did. We lost the "to-do" page, though. Know how to retrieve it? --Admin 00:15, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

I just found it here. Strange... --Admin 00:21, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

Should we rename the main page now? I would prefer "Wikisocion home". --Admin 00:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

Hm, it looks awkward in the sidebar, and Wikisocion is at the top of each page anyway.

Btw, "the encyclopedia of socionics" should be stored as Mediawiki:Sitesubtitle, not part of the title. :) If that doesn't work, try setting Mediawiki:pagetitle to $1 - {{SITENAME}} Thehotelambush 02:17, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

I changed that page Mediawiki:Sitesubtitle to the text "The Encyclopedia of Socionics". I don't think anything happened. --Admin 09:51, 16 July 2007 (BST)

I have tried that again, and nothing works. --Admin 15:06, 21 July 2007 (BST)

(bump) - figurative Thehotelambush 01:26, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Is this where the Wikipedia The encyclopedia of socionics thing came from? That could be slightly problematic. In Wikipedia proper, all pages relating directly to the internal function of Wikipedia lie in the Wikipedia namespace. We don't necessarily have to do things that way, but it seems like a perfectly reasonable system. Right now, it's rather unwieldy to have pages in the Wikipedia: The Encyclopedia of Socionics namespace. I was just about to create something equivalent to the Wikipedia Sandbox (for experimenting with various editing techniques) when I ran in to this problem. It's fine; I'll use my userpage, but either it should be established that this namespace not be used or the name should be changed rather shortly. I don't know what sort of technical procedure this would entail. Niffweed17 09:24, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Yeah, sorry about that. I think I have fixed it (in localsettings.php). --Admin 09:48, 16 July 2007 (BST)

It looks fine now. Unfortunately the documentation for the "message" system is nonexistent. Basically just copy off Wikipedia; we could make some interesting customizations. I like the sidebar, btw, although I'm thinking Current Events (and probably the socionics meeting pages too) should be in the Wikisocion namespace. Thehotelambush 07:23, 17 July 2007 (BST)

Copyright

See Wikisocion_talk:Copyrights. Thehotelambush 07:38, 17 July 2007 (BST)

Actually, look at this. Thehotelambush 08:56, 20 July 2007 (BST)

Math support

For future reference, here is the manual page on all those settings in localsettings.php.

Anyway, I'd like to be able to insert math markup for the Reinin dichotomies pages, as well as assorted other minor details. That page describes how to do so here. Unfortunately I think it means to say that you have to have Latex installed on the server (where are you running this, btw?), and it's obviously not worth it to do so for just a bit of math markup. Thehotelambush 08:51, 20 July 2007 (BST)

InterWiki support

For some reason links to wikipedia like wikipedia:Food or w:en:Food don't work, though they are supposed to. We could also use automated links to the corresponding pages on the Russian Wikisocion. You might only have to set $wgLocalInterwiki in localsettings.php. See here for details. More extensive customization may be needed for the language versions. Thehotelambush 08:51, 20 July 2007 (BST)

I haven't been able to figure out what needs to be done to allow short links to Wikipedia. If you come across anything, let me know. --Admin 16:10, 21 July 2007 (BST)

Did you try setting $wgLocalInterwiki = "Wikisocion" ? You might also want to have '$wgLanguageCode = "en"' for the English wiki, and "ru" for the Russian one. I assume there is a separate localsettings.php for each wiki. Thehotelambush 21:21, 21 July 2007 (BST)

The two languages are completely autonomous -- like two different sites (two software packages with different settings). --Admin 21:27, 21 July 2007 (BST)

Is this doable? The inter-language part may not be possible if they are running separately; I'll make sure of this. Thehotelambush 04:53, 23 July 2007 (BST)

Short URLs

I would like to install short URLs, but I have been having difficulties. I have tried to implement the instructions on this page -- specifically "Solution without Alias" and "Rewrite," but neither have worked. One reason may be that the sample code assumes that the wiki root is /wiki/, but mine is just "/". I tried removing the "wiki" from the code there, but still nothing worked. --Admin 19:55, 21 July 2007 (BST)

Deletions

We now have Wikisocion:Community Portal and Wikisocion:Community. I assume you just want only WS:C (the newer of the two) to remain, but unfortunately it seems like we'll have to lose the page history from WS:CP if it is deleted. In the future, please simply move the page if at all possible. Thehotelambush 05:00, 23 July 2007 (BST)

Not too many changes have been made at the new page. I have merged them to save the old history. --Admin 07:41, 23 July 2007 (BST)

Great. Perhaps you could do the same for Main Page as well, please. Thehotelambush 23:47, 24 July 2007 (BST)

Done. --Admin 08:48, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Bot status

I think I can finally get a bot to work (User:Mr. Roboto). If it has bot status, then its edits won't clog up Recent Changes. This isn't a big deal right now, but it might help if I use it a lot in the future.

A list of what I'm planning to do with it is at my userpage => Thehotelambush 01:38, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Sorry, I know there's a lot on your plate. Hopefully the wiki will stabilize after a little while.

Do I need to go and change the user status of this and other bots? --Admin 08:19, 25 July 2007 (BST)

It's not absolutely necessary, but it's helpful if I'm going to be doing 16 edits in a row, for example. I'm pretty sure the only effect is to remove its edits from Recent Changes; on wikipedia bot status is more important, obviously. It's really up to you. Thehotelambush 08:25, 25 July 2007 (BST)

removing data

you really shouldn't remove old discussions from talk pages. however irrelevant they may seem, every one of them may be useful at some point in the future. Niffweed17 02:54, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

I don't object, but some of them seem highly irrelevant right now, and the page will just grow longer and longer. --Admin 02:58, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

We can make archives eventually. Thehotelambush 04:05, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

I think the talk pages are a good place for people to get extra information on the subject such as what the thought process was that went into writting them. As well as extra not-so-encyclopedic stuff that may have been said about it. I vote to leave the talk pages alone (besides maybe organizing whats said there so that we can get a contents for the page (that helps keep it under control) Bionicgoat 05:30, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

Sure, I don't care. Whatever is most useful and informative, and easy to navigate. --Admin 06:37, 15 July 2007 (CDT)

You can make archives now if you need to. Just make a page something like Talk: Main Page/Archive1 and stick all old discussions there. Personally, I don't think the page is all that cluttered yet, and every fiber of wikiquette in me knows that talk pages should be preserved. Niffweed17 15:50, 15 July 2007 (BST)

Stub Messages, etc.

Yes, it's fairly easy. Record the message to a template and then insert the template into whatever article you have. I took the liberty of creating [[Template: Incomplete]], shown below.

{{incomplete}}.

I used the markup {{incomplete}} to achieve the above result. In general, a template at Template: The Weather in London requires the astonishingly complex markup {{The Weather in London}}.

This is obviously a very simple template used as an example. Templates can include images, boxes, etc., just like regular articles. I've never really played around with really complex templates, but the basic stuff is easy as that. Feel free to drastically alter this particular template if you don't like it. Niffweed17 09:15, 16 July 2007 (BST)

You may also want to get rid of that template, unless you want your user talk page to be incomplete forever. I forgot to mention that you can create categories of all articles with a particular template, so templates in places they don't belong (like right here) should be dispensed with. Niffweed17 09:17, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Thanks for the tips. Here's one I made. How can you get it to put pages with this template into a certain category so that we can keep track of them? --Admin 09:27, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Also, I want it to open the talk page on the page it is on. --Admin 09:29, 16 July 2007 (BST)

Got it to work. --Admin 10:11, 16 July 2007 (BST)

I'm not completely sure if this is how it's done universally on Wikipedia, because I've found certain templates that don't really conform (I can think of another way that they might work, but I don't want to deal with it cuz this will do the job fine) to this ~~rule~~ method. However, by adding [[Category: Pages with characteristic asdf]] to the template page, the category link will be included on all pages that have that contain that template. I already took the liberty of making a category for Template: Inaccuracies as a test at [[Category: Inaccurate Pages]]; it's working fine. Niffweed17 08:38, 17 July 2007 (BST)

Format

Hmm -- are you changing the pages format permanently? I much preferred the way it was before. Expat 10:13, 17 July 2007 (BST)

No:) Please clear your cache and check again. --Admin 10:15, 17 July 2007 (BST)

Sorry about that brief glitch (the text doubled in size everywhere). I have fixed the navigation box now completely. --Admin 10:46, 17 July 2007 (BST)

google cache

Id like to help, but I don't know how to copy and paste the text with the wikification from google. Redbeanpaste 18:56, 28 February 2010 (GMT)

Thanks. That is the difficulty. Text will have to be copied and pasted with wiki formatting added afterwards. --Rick DeLong 19:03, 28 February 2010 (GMT)

deleting SEE domain

I accidently created the SEE domain page. Would you delete it? Thanks! ~ Ozz 18:49, 23 March 2010 (GMT)

Done. --Rick DeLong 16:31, 25 March 2010 (GMT)

Picture thumbnail issue

I was in the process of restoring some lost pages and I came across some that have picture thumbnails. I upload the picture and I still couldn't get them to show up properly. Would you happen know what went wrong? eg. IEE_domain. Thanks in advance. Ozz 20:29, 27 March 2010 (GMT)

It seems you have gotten it to work, no? --Rick DeLong 07:38, 30 March 2010 (BST)

Weird. A day after I posted that inquiry, all the non-working thumbnails I inserted started working. Good enough for me! ~ Ozz 07:43, 30 March 2010 (BST)

Not weird: I noticed the error too and fixed it by changing the configuration settings ;-) --Consentingadult 09:55, 30 March 2010 (BST)

So God does not play dice after all! Thanks!! --Rick DeLong 15:19, 30 March 2010 (BST)

age

Lying about your age, I see? :P Thehotelambush 05:26, 2 June 2010 (BST)

That's funny, it was your birthday just yesterday. Happy birthday! Thehotelambush 05:30, 2 June 2010 (BST)

Thanks!:)) --Admin 17:52, 2 June 2010 (BST)